The TSG has the Technical Report from past Gold Cups. The 2009 Gold cup has the past stats for attendance of all the Gold Cups. I got a spread sheet and plug the attendance numbers in. Remember if the game was a double header I DID NOT count the attendance twice. Why because they are the same people in the stands from the first game and the second double header.
My friend who are out there that multiply the average attendance with the number of games are almost doubling that “REAL” attendance figures. It is a simplistic way to make a point but unfortunately “you” are wrong. If you do not believe me just go to the stats of each gold Cup starting on page 56 and continue through page 60. It has all attendance for each group. Please take note when looking at attendance before 2005 there were double headers. These double headers had 2 different groups. So eg in the 2000 Gold Cup Group A and B had double headers. That means 2 teams from group A played and 2 teams from group B played. The attendance for that day is the same. Why….they were the same people and you can not add the same people twice.
Well he are my stats with total attendance and average attendance for the past Gold Cups.
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But are you charged for two games in these double headers? Can you pay to just watch one? I wouldn't want to have to pay for a 2nd game that I don't want to pay for.
For instance I noticed for the Copa Centroamericana double and triple headers this year that the stadium would be almost empty for the games involving other teams, then it would fill up for Panama's game.
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying I don't know how it works. Do you know how the pricing structure works? If you are paying for two games, then it should count as double surely. If your ticket regardless of price entitles you to sit and watch both matches, then in my eyes it should count as double. If you sat and attended two games, you attended two games. Even if you only watched one, if you paid to see two, then it should still count if you ask me.
I just want to show how many people attend games...that is all. Is the sport growing in the states? Is the Gold Cup progressing or declining? I think it is incorrect to caount the same person twice to determin attendance......
You're looking in the wrong place for that information. The Gold Cup is ruled by too many factors. For instance if Mexico fell in the quarter finals, attendance would take a hit. If you want to judge growth in the United States, instead of seeing how many people show up to watch matches not involving the US team, people who won't even be American, or who will be immigrants who likely won't be interested in the US national team or MLS, look to MLS attendances, attendances of all home games not just Gold Cup games of the US national team and US youth teams, perhaps attendances of America's lower leagues and if the number of teams and/or leagues in America's lower levels are increasing, and the effectiveness of American teams in the CONCACAF Champions League, which I showed you earlier has increased significantly the last two teams after a poor performance in the opening edition. Also the number of people playing football in America, which I think I heard is constantly on the increase, though don't quote me on that one.
Attendances have always been guaged on tickets bought. I'm not absolutely 100% sure, but I think if you buy a season ticket for a club team, you would be considered to have attended all the games even if you didn't attend even one of them, because your seat was bought and paid for. The club wouldn't sell someone else your seat if you didn't show up. Same if you just bought a regular ticket. You can always find empty seats no matter how big a match is, for people who couldn't come for whatever reason and touts who failed to sell their overpriced tickets. But even the touts should be counted, as if the product on offer wasn't worth coming to see, the touts wouldn't be buying tickets.
I know you want the number in the stadium at the time, but it's just impossible to do it that way. Who would count them? It has to go on tickets sold. And what about latecomers?
I have a question for you. If the Gold Cup final was United States vs Jamaica, do you think the stadium would sell out? I don't know enough to know if it would, but I know at least early on the US matches often don't even come close to selling out.
*effectiveness of American teams in the CONCACAF Champions League, which I showed you earlier has increased significantly the last two YEARS*
I wonder why I put teams...
Just to answer your question. No the USA vs. Jamaica would not be a sell out at the Rose Bowl (imho). My yanks played Costa Rica for the Final in 2002. the location was the Rose Bowl...only 14,432 showed. Yes the sport has grown since 2002 but not that much.
The yanks vs. Brazil, Argentina even Ireland would all be close to sell outs..and these would be friendlies....
Ugh. 14,432 for the final, involving the host country, vs the 3rd best team in CONCACAF is absolutely pathetic. There's just no way you can even sugercoat that.
I just assumed a Costa Rica or Honduras type team would sell the place out in a final. I'm shocked. I thought Jamaica would bring in WAY more than 14,432. I don't know, I might have esimated 40-50K for that match. Why is the support so terrible?
It really does all depend on Mexico.
Ireland would lure Irish Americans so that's understandable.
I know I'm probably in the extreme minority but given the choice of watching England take on Spain in a friendly or England take on San Marino in a qualifier, I'd take San Marino, because the match actually means something.
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